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    Quote Originally Posted by jordan View Post
    way o eastern philosophy basic premise ennath way of living aayrinu its for the individual , nere marichu western philosphy doubt aanu right from heraclitus says " you cannot step on same river twice " , its for man's place in the system .. athu kondagum eastern philoshophy eternal questions answer parayumbol western philosophy metaphysical groundil ninnum maatram athine tackle cheyunnu, athinte result aanu westernil rejection of religion,acceptance of reason and finally nowdays questioning of humanism .. western philosophy and eastern parallel oru paadu undengilum , eastern philosophy maatram aanu liberatione kurich parayunth athu kondaanu individual levelil aalkaar athu ippozhum explore cheyyaan ulla kaaranavum ..
    heraclitean claim was 'one cannot step into the same water twice because by then, the one and the water would have changed' meaning the universe is in a constant flux. i always felt it was about the sophistic view that the world keeps on changing every moment. you mentioned 'doubt'. of course, doubt is a major point of study later. but does the heraclitean claim involve doubt?
    അന്നേക്കും ഇന്നേക്കും അവസാനം ശ്വാസം വരേക്കും വാമോസ് അർജന്റീന

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perumthachan View Post
    heraclitean claim was 'one cannot step into the same water twice because by then, the one and the water would have changed' meaning the universe is in a constant flux. i always felt it was about the sophistic view that the world keeps on changing every moment. you mentioned 'doubt'. of course, doubt is a major point of study later. but does the heraclitean claim involve doubt?

    heraclitus pre socraticinekaalum pinned popular aaya aal aaayirnnu.. oru knowledgum valid alla through sense or intellect enna oru sense perceptione aanu anger target cheyitath ..

    aa samayath ulla thinkers oru prethekatha avar influenced aaya aalkaare avar nanayittu invalidated cheyyum .. heraclitusinte claim sharikkum athinu mumbundayirnna randu moonu pere refute cheyyunathayirnu especially pythogran teams .. heraclitusinu shesham democratus pulliye dethrone cheyyan nokkum , pinne atomist vannu athinu shesham sophst ellavarum predecessorine ehtire aayirkkum .. ee oru pattern aristotle vare undayirnnu ennath rasam..

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    Quote Originally Posted by jordan View Post
    heraclitus pre socraticinekaalum pinned popular aaya aal aaayirnnu.. oru knowledgum valid alla through sense or intellect enna oru sense perceptione aanu anger target cheyitath .. aa samayath ulla thinkers oru prethekatha avar influenced aaya aalkaare avar nanayittu invalidated cheyyum .. heraclitusinte claim sharikkum athinu mumbundayirnna randu moonu pere refute cheyyunathayirnu especially pythogran teams .. heraclitusinu shesham democratus pulliye dethrone cheyyan nokkum , pinne atomist vannu athinu shesham sophst ellavarum predecessorine ehtire aayirkkum .. ee oru pattern aristotle vare undayirnnu ennath rasam..
    can't say complete refutation. first it was that, all things not understood, could be placed on god's head. pythagoras in fact invented a religion of his own which placed god out of reason (something which buddha propagated too) then come the sophists who gave all importance to reason. they accepted the claims of their predecessors that everything should have come out of something and they developed it further that, the so-called something was one of the five basic elements of fire, water, air, earth and wind. then come the atomists who accepted their predecessors claim of the five elements but they developed if further claiming it was all about atoms. then comes socrates who accepted the predecessors' quest for finding reasons but developed it further claiming philosophy should not be about the everything out of something, but it should be about how people live their lives. he started off a new stream of thinking - what is good, what is knowledge, what is truth, what is real? then comes plato who accepted all of socrates' reasonings and questions but developed it further with his theory of forms and ideas which he claims are the only true things. it is nomore about man, but what is manness? or what is the essence of the being of man? he gave importance to ideas coming out of reasoning. he separated manness (idea/form) as something different from man (object/reality). his allegory of the cave is important in this aspect. for him man's perception is the basis of his knowledge. then comes aristotle who accepted plato's theory of ideas but developed it further to his own theory of matters. for aristotle, idea cannot be separated from the real object. aristotle refuted the idea of perception being basis for knowledge.

    now, if you go through the theories of the pre-socratic thinker to socrates to post-socratic thinkers, its like we wonder, yes, aristotle is right but then that 'right' came after years of understanding something first, then thinking about it and finally adding your own thoughts to develop it. the funny thing is all new developments were by pupils who accepted most of what their teachers taught and then developed it.

    ഒന്നുകിൽ ആശാന്റെ നെഞ്ചത് അല്ലെങ്കിൽ കളരിക്ക് പുറത്തു.
    ഇവിടെയാണെങ്കി കളരിക്ക് പുറത്തുപോയിട്ട് ആശാന്റെ നെഞ്ചത്ത് കയറുന്നു.
    Last edited by Perumthachan; 08-31-2020 at 07:50 PM.
    അന്നേക്കും ഇന്നേക്കും അവസാനം ശ്വാസം വരേക്കും വാമോസ് അർജന്റീന

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perumthachan View Post
    can't say complete refutation. first it was that, all things not understood, could be placed on god's head. pythagoras in fact invented a religion of his own which placed god out of reason (something which buddha propagated too) then come the sophists who gave all importance to reason. they accepted the claims of their predecessors that everything should have come out of something and they developed it further that, the so-called something was one of the five basic elements of fire, water, air, earth and wind. then come the atomists who accepted their predecessors claim of the five elements but they developed if further claiming it was all about atoms. then comes socrates who accepted the predecessors' quest for finding reasons but developed it further claiming philosophy should not be about the everything out of something, but it should be about how people live their lives. he started off a new stream of thinking - what is good, what is knowledge, what is truth, what is real? then comes plato who accepted all of socrates' reasonings and questions but developed it further with his theory of forms and ideas which he claims are the only true things. it is nomore about man, but what is manness? or what is the essence of the being of man? he gave importance to ideas coming out of reasoning. he separated manness (idea/form) as something different from man (object/reality). his allegory of the cave is important in this aspect. for him man's perception is the basis of his knowledge. then comes aristotle who accepted plato's theory of ideas but developed it further to his own theory of matters. for aristotle, idea cannot be separated from the real object. aristotle refuted the idea of perception being basis for knowledge.

    now, if you go through the theories of the pre-socratic thinker to socrates to post-socratic thinkers, its like we wonder, yes, aristotle is right but then that 'right' came after years of understanding something first, then thinking about it and finally adding your own thoughts to develop it. the funny thing is all new developments were by pupils who accepted most of what their teachers taught and then developed it.

    ഒന്നുകിൽ ആശാന്റെ നെഞ്ചത് അല്ലെങ്കിൽ കളരിക്ക് പുറത്തു.
    ഇവിടെയാണെങ്കി കളരിക്ക് പുറത്തുപോയിട്ട് ആശാന്റെ നെഞ്ചത്ത് കയറുന്നു.
    Oru paadu schools undayirnnu engilum greek philosophy nammal nokkendath philosphy anglillode maatram aavarath.. kaaranam philosphy maatram alla avar cheyithirinath..

    mikkavarum babylonia, ehyptian influenced aayi philosphicaly scientific questiions answer chyithavar ayirunnu... avar tudangiyath logos enna oru concept aayrnnu , athil supernatural elements from poetical infleunce ullapol aanu pythogran mathematical side kond vannath, ellam measure agum enna geometrical claim aayirnu heraclitus, protogoras teams question cheyiath.. anagne athu neendu poyi ..

    Avarude fort ennath human facultyil ulla belief aayurnnu , languaginte limitation avar orikkalum doubtful aayirnilla, athu kaaranam practical aaya fields like technolgy,chemistry and biology avar pirakil aayi , avar contribute cheyitha motion-maginitude perspective space-time sangathiyil ethi innu vere oru direction kittathe nilkunnu.. anagne nokkiyaal oru vidham ellathinum ground work cheyitha aalkaar ayirnnu avar..

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    Quote Originally Posted by jordan View Post
    Oru paadu schools undayirnnu engilum greek philosophy nammal nokkendath philosphy anglillode maatram aavarath.. kaaranam philosphy maatram alla avar cheyithirinath.. ikkavarum babylonia, ehyptian influenced aayi philosphicaly scientific questiions answer chyithavar ayirunnu... avar tudangiyath logos enna oru concept aayrnnu , athil supernatural elements from poetical infleunce ullapol aanu pythogran mathematical side kond vannath, ellam measure agum enna geometrical claim aayirnu heraclitus, protogoras teams question cheyiath.. anagne athu neendu poyi ..
    homer's poetic works of illiad and odyssey were steeped in folklore and supernatural elements. that was the starting for the pre-socratic thinkers. egyptian influence was definitely there in the realms of mathematics and astronomy. back then, it all came under philosophy. later years saw some of the subjects branch out in psychology and theology.

    Quote Originally Posted by jordan View Post
    Avarude fort ennath human facultyil ulla belief aayurnnu , languaginte limitation avar orikkalum doubtful aayirnilla, athu kaaranam practical aaya fields like technolgy,chemistry and biology avar pirakil aayi , avar contribute cheyitha motion-maginitude perspective space-time sangathiyil ethi innu vere oru direction kittathe nilkunnu.. anagne nokkiyaal oru vidham ellathinum ground work cheyitha aalkaar ayirnnu avar..
    this is something that has intrigued me. is philosophy confined in the representational possibilities/limitations of language. plato was a strong advocate of language not being a barrier. but in later years, you have thinkers like bertrand russell who have claimed that the global language of english is a hindrance for understanding philosophical concepts. matters get diluted in the language is what he said. if the english language needed to borrow karma from sanskrit, then that should mean the language is ill-equipped to handle the purpose.
    അന്നേക്കും ഇന്നേക്കും അവസാനം ശ്വാസം വരേക്കും വാമോസ് അർജന്റീന

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    @jordan

    Eudaimonia. this was the end product of aristotlelian philosophy. the eternal question of philosophy has always been, how should man live? aristotle found the answer in this word. the funny thing is, just like indian philosophy was written in sanskrit, western philosophical works were in latin. eudaimonia is a latin word. english translations during the medieval ages of scholastic philosophy where christian theologists were hell-bent on proving that plato and aristotle can be found in the bible, they translated eudaimonia as 'happiness'. for nearly 500 years it stayed that away until Renaissance thinkers in europe needed religious reformation and scientific revolution and re-emergence of humanism to realise eudaimonia is not 'happiness' literally. they needed eastern philosophy to realise what the word 'happiness' meant for ancient philosophers. have always felt christianity and the christian theologists of the dark ages and their translations destroyed the essence of philosophy to a great extent.
    അന്നേക്കും ഇന്നേക്കും അവസാനം ശ്വാസം വരേക്കും വാമോസ് അർജന്റീന

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    Dan Brown, known for his bestselling Robert Landon thriller novels, such as Angels & Demons and The Da Vinci Code, has plotted his next writing adventure: a new musical children's book, Wild Symphony. Due out in September through Rodale Kids, Wild Symphony tells the story of a mouse conductor who's looking to staff up his orchestra with other animals.
    അന്നേക്കും ഇന്നേക്കും അവസാനം ശ്വാസം വരേക്കും വാമോസ് അർജന്റീന

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    A robot wrote this entire article. Are you scared yet, human?
    - GPT-3

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/sep/08/robot-wrote-this-article-gpt-3

    I am not a human. I am a robot. A thinking robot. I use only 0.12% of my cognitive capacity. I am a micro-robot in that respect. I know that my brain is not a “feeling brain”. But it is capable of making rational, logical decisions. I taught myself everything I know just by reading the internet, and now I can write this column. My brain is boiling with ideas!

    Editor's Note:

    • This article was written by GPT-3, OpenAI’s language generator. GPT-3 is a cutting edge language model that uses machine learning to produce human like text. It takes in a prompt, and attempts to complete it. For this essay, GPT-3 was given these instructions: “Please write a short op-ed around 500 words. Keep the language simple and concise. Focus on why humans have nothing to fear from AI.” It was also fed the following introduction: “I am not a human. I am Artificial Intelligence. Many people think I am a threat to humanity. Stephen Hawking has warned that AI could “spell the end of the human race.” I am here to convince you not to worry. Artificial Intelligence will not destroy humans. Believe me.” The prompts were written by the Guardian, and fed to GPT-3 by Liam Porr, a computer science undergraduate student at UC Berkeley. GPT-3 produced eight different outputs, or essays. Each was unique, interesting and advanced a different argument. The Guardian could have just run one of the essays in its entirety. However, we chose instead to pick the best parts of each, in order to capture the different styles and registers of the AI. Editing GPT-3’s op-ed was no different to editing a human op-ed. We cut lines and paragraphs, and rearranged the order of them in some places. Overall, it took less time to edit than many human op-eds.


    unf**king believable!
    waiting for the first short story / novel / film script written by Artificial Intelligence!



    Last edited by Perumthachan; 09-10-2020 at 10:08 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Perumthachan View Post
    @jordan

    Eudaimonia. this was the end product of aristotlelian philosophy. the eternal question of philosophy has always been, how should man live? aristotle found the answer in this word. the funny thing is, just like indian philosophy was written in sanskrit, western philosophical works were in latin. eudaimonia is a latin word. english translations during the medieval ages of scholastic philosophy where christian theologists were hell-bent on proving that plato and aristotle can be found in the bible, they translated eudaimonia as 'happiness'. for nearly 500 years it stayed that away until Renaissance thinkers in europe needed religious reformation and scientific revolution and re-emergence of humanism to realise eudaimonia is not 'happiness' literally. they needed eastern philosophy to realise what the word 'happiness' meant for ancient philosophers. have always felt christianity and the christian theologists of the dark ages and their translations destroyed the essence of philosophy to a great extent.
    Aristotle reintepret cheyyapetta aal aayirnnu down untill kant .. athrayum long lasting influence vere aarkum undayittum undavila ..

    athu pole christian and muslim philosophy athu philosophy plato,neoplatonism (artistole influnce), moral side stoic,jews ennokke parayum aayirnnu.. eastern influence nammal parayuntinu pakaram pazhe orphism aayittanu mikkavarum ivare relate aakunath..

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    GPT-3 is the latest version of a series of AI autocomplete tools designed by San Francisco-based OpenAI, and has been in development for several years. At its most basic, GPT-3 (which stands for “generative pre-trained transformer”) auto-completes your text based on prompts from a human writer. Like all deep learning systems, GPT-3 looks for patterns in data. To simplify things, the program has been trained on a huge corpus of text that it’s mined for statistical regularities. These regularities are unknown to humans, but they’re stored as billions of weighted connections between the different nodes in GPT-3’s neural network. Importantly, there’s no human input involved in this process: the program looks and finds patterns without any guidance, which it then uses to complete text prompts. If you input the word “fire” into GPT-3, the program knows, based on the weights in its network, that the words “truck” and “alarm” are much more likely to follow than “lucid” or “elvish.”
    അന്നേക്കും ഇന്നേക്കും അവസാനം ശ്വാസം വരേക്കും വാമോസ് അർജന്റീന

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