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    Quote Originally Posted by nettooran View Post
    Football has changed over the years..Can you name one Number 10 in the mould of Zico,maradonna or Zidane in world football today??Last of those breeds were Valderama and Riqulme from South America.
    Tell me the name of any one classic Number 10 playing in any of the national teams? Ozil ,Modric and Oscar are the prominent ones in World football today.But they all depend upon collective strength than individual brilliance.After the 1982 debacle Brazil has changed their system to inlude more Volante's ...Thtat's what gave them 1994 and 2002 WC including 98 final.When they tried to be more attack minded they had no balance and they collapsed in 2006.In 2002 they actually dropped the more attacking minded Juninho Paulista and introduced Kleberson halfway through the tournament to obtain that balance.In 1994 they dropped RAI and introduced Zinho after the first match and went on to win the tournament.

    It's just your assumption that Brazil's fan following has diminished. How can you quantify it? Brazil NT is the most loved NT across the globe.Most of the neutrals across the globes Brazil is the second favorite footballing nation after of course their home country.

    Oscar will be important when they play against attack minded teams , because he excels in high pressing and high intensity games which Scolari uses against attack minded opponents. .Everything boils down to fitness anyways.
    I still have reservations against how this team is going to play against teams who will play with 11 players on their own half or the so called bunker teams.
    Oscar's strength is in his contribution to the defensive side of the game.That's why coaches like Scolari and Mourinho likes him.It's not becuase of any fancy dribbles, mazy runs or audacious skills.
    World renowned no:10s mostly came from Brazil.. they produced it on a regular basis.. at least the perception was such.... they have fans becos they played football to entertain... probably the only team to get fans based purely on footballing philosophy wud be barcalona in the modern age... ronaldhinio-kku shesham athu pole fascinate cheyikkuna oru player vanno? oscar-ine okke ningakku main player aayi uyarthikatendi varunathinte reality check aanu njaan soojipichathu... i didn't mean he was a bad player, but he is just any other player that u can find in other teams... neymar okke pandathe team-il ayirunekil ithe polathe thaaram ayirikumaayirunno?? i think if denilson was there now, he wud havebeen automatic choice.. ...

    i cannot quantify that brazil fans r decreasing.. may be they still have a the largest fan base, but somehow from interactions, it seems brazil does not have that aura about them any more in atracting fans towards them.... the much celebrated samba style is no more... for me the 2002 brazil team of ronaldo, rivaldo cafu, roberto carlos was the last of the larger-than-life brazil team...
    roberto carlos, cafu okke household names aayirunnu.. athrakkum popular.. maybe as u said, in 2018 they might have a more renowend polished team.. but this year ....

    argentina fans ennathu 90% based on maradona aanu..now messi...

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    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/wor...e-Goiania.html

    *.Neymar opened the scoring with a brilliant free-kick into the top corner
    *.Dani Alves doubled the lead just before the break with a long-range effort
    *.Hulk then scores less than a minute after the restart
    *.Willian added the fourth from close range to round off the scoring

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    World Cup 2014: Brazil - is tactical fouling crucial to their chances?

    By Tim Vickery BBC Sport
    A fascinating piece of data emerged from the Confederations Cup - the player who committed the most fouls in the tournament was Brazil striker Neymar.



    The 22-year-old - also the most fouled player - committed 17 infringements during the 2013 competition, closely followed by team-mate Oscar (14).

    That Neymar was the most fouled player will come as no surprise, for two reasons. Neymar, who joined Barcelona from Santos last summer for £48.6m, is a wonderfully talented dribbler, superbly balanced and capable of changing direction at pace. On form, he is a defender's nightmare.

    His relatively frail build means he can be knocked over, and his delivery from free-kicks gives him a strong incentive to go to ground when in striking distance of goal. Sometimes kicking him seems to be the only way to stop him, and sometimes he is only too happy to draw the foul.

    The first statistic, however, might raise a few eyebrows. Few would expect two of Brazil's attacking talents to be at the top of this list.


    On reflection, though, it is not hard to understand - and the explanation goes right to the heart of Brazil's challenge to win the 2014 World Cup.

    Changes in both personnel and style of play since the last finals mean that the Brazilian side appear to be adopting a return to tactical fouling, infringements which break down an attack by a team's opponents, and it is forwards like Neymar who are the first line of defence.


    After their quarter-final elimination by the Netherlands in South Africa four years ago, Dunga was sacked as national team coach and replaced by Mano Menezes. Relatively inexperienced, Menezes had to preside over two important changes.

    Firstly, he had to rebuild the side. Brazil had taken an ageing squad to South Africa and Menezes had to identity and nurture the likes of Neymar and Oscar.

    He also had to oversee a change of style. The problem was confronted in his very first news conference. Brazil had become over-dependent on the counter-attack.

    They did not know how to play against opponents who sat back and denied them the space to launch their favourite weapon.

    Concern at this defect was all the greater because Brazil would be playing the next World Cup at home, where they were bound to meet cautious opponents.

    In many of his training sessions, Menezes worked at getting the team to press high in the opponent's half. This has rarely been part of the Brazilian make-up.

    The great 1970 side, for example, concentrated on bringing everyone bar centre-forward Tostao behind the line of the ball when they lost possession. One of the reasons that right winger Jairzinho was so successful in that tournament was that this created plenty of space into which he could burst and latch on to the magnificent long-range passing of Gerson.

    When Luiz Felipe Scolari was recalled to replace Menezes at the end of 2012, some important changes were made. Straight away, a target man centre-forward was brought back into the team - this soon turned out to be Fred.

    And the jigsaw started to fit together when a holding midfielder, Luiz Gustavo, was introduced, protecting the space in front of the centre-backs.

    Otherwise, though, there were few changes in personnel. Scolari kept faith with the men Menezes had been blooding.

    He also retained the tactic of occasionally pressing high in the opponent's half. But he was worried about it as it meant his team were leaving lots of space behind them.

    It is important to stress here that former Chelsea boss Scolari made his name in the 1990s - a time when Brazilian football was dominated by tactical fouling. Some believed that the team that fouled most intelligently would win the game.

    A foul, some argued, was covered by the rules, meaning that it was a resource of the game to be used at opportune moments.

    In 1999, Scolari said that "well played, normal football in certain situations obliges a player to commit a foul - a push, some shirt pulling, use of the shoulder, fouls that don't give the opponents the chance to organise an attack".

    In the current context, this means that when Brazil lose possession, the likes of Neymar and Oscar (or Willian, who is doing well in training) have to take on the responsibility of being the first line of defence.

    Part of their role is to slow down or halt the opposing counter-attack - preferably by winning the ball close to goal. But if their attempts to win possession end in a foul, so be it.

    One possible problem is their relative lack of experience in this function. Against Italy in the Confederations Cup, Neymar had to be substituted because he was flirting dangerously with a red card.

    And it also means Brazil's World Cup matches are likely to be tough to referee. In a highly charged atmosphere, there will be lots of decisions to make. Brazil's players will be under huge pressure during the World Cup. So will those who officiate their games.



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    Quote Originally Posted by moovybuf View Post
    World renowned no:10s mostly came from Brazil.. they produced it on a regular basis.. at least the perception was such.... they have fans becos they played football to entertain... probably the only team to get fans based purely on footballing philosophy wud be barcalona in the modern age... ronaldhinio-kku shesham athu pole fascinate cheyikkuna oru player vanno? oscar-ine okke ningakku main player aayi uyarthikatendi varunathinte reality check aanu njaan soojipichathu... i didn't mean he was a bad player, but he is just any other player that u can find in other teams... neymar okke pandathe team-il ayirunekil ithe polathe thaaram ayirikumaayirunno?? i think if denilson was there now, he wud havebeen automatic choice.. ...

    i cannot quantify that brazil fans r decreasing.. may be they still have a the largest fan base, but somehow from interactions, it seems brazil does not have that aura about them any more in atracting fans towards them.... the much celebrated samba style is no more... for me the 2002 brazil team of ronaldo, rivaldo cafu, roberto carlos was the last of the larger-than-life brazil team...
    roberto carlos, cafu okke household names aayirunnu.. athrakkum popular.. maybe as u said, in 2018 they might have a more renowend polished team.. but this year ....

    argentina fans ennathu 90% based on maradona aanu..now messi...
    The problem is you are comparing Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Cafu etc. with 21-22 years old palyers like Neymar,Oscar,Bernard etc..
    If this generation develop properly you will find a kick ass team in 2018.
    Oscarineyum Willianeyum okke main players aayi koottunnathinu kaaranam avarude offensive ability kondu maathramalla ..athinekaal ere defensive ability kondaanu.High temo ,High pressing games'il angine ulla playersinte contribution valare valuthaanu.Can you imagine Ronaldinho doing any kind of defensive work?Even Neymar tracks back and contribute defensively.
    Every team tries to find a winning formula around the players that they have.Currently Brazil's strength is in Defense and they are trying to utilize that strength to their advantage ..that's all.You can't expect every team to play like 1982 Brazil team.Gallerykku vendi kalichu kayyadi nedunnathinekaal jayikkunnathaanu kaaryam enna basic Policy'il aanu ippol Brazil NT .

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    Quote Originally Posted by moovybuf View Post
    World Cup 2014: Brazil - is tactical fouling crucial to their chances?

    By Tim Vickery BBC Sport
    A fascinating piece of data emerged from the Confederations Cup - the player who committed the most fouls in the tournament was Brazil striker Neymar.



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    One possible problem is their relative lack of experience in this function. Against Italy in the Confederations Cup, Neymar had to be substituted because he was flirting dangerously with a red card.

    And it also means Brazil's World Cup matches are likely to be tough to referee. In a highly charged atmosphere, there will be lots of decisions to make. Brazil's players will be under huge pressure during the World Cup. So will those who officiate their games.



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    Tactical fouling puthiya kaaryam aano? This tactic is being used by Brazil for many years now.
    This had been mastered by using it against teams like Argentina to break their rhythm.Mostly these tactical fouls are done as much away as possible from own penalty box.

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    Yesterday aginst panama Brazil never came out of First gear.the first half was pretty poor.But Second half was a huge improvement over the first 45 minutes.
    Neymar and Luis Gustavo were the standout performers.
    The worst player was Ramires of course.The moment Ramires was replaced the team started playing 10 times better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nettooran View Post
    The problem is you are comparing Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Cafu etc. with 21-22 years old palyers like Neymar,Oscar,Bernard etc..
    If this generation develop properly you will find a kick ass team in 2018.
    Oscarineyum Willianeyum okke main players aayi koottunnathinu kaaranam avarude offensive ability kondu maathramalla ..athinekaal ere defensive ability kondaanu.High temo ,High pressing games'il angine ulla playersinte contribution valare valuthaanu.Can you imagine Ronaldinho doing any kind of defensive work?Even Neymar tracks back and contribute defensively.
    Every team tries to find a winning formula around the players that they have.Currently Brazil's strength is in Defense and they are trying to utilize that strength to their advantage ..that's all.You can't expect every team to play like 1982 Brazil team.Gallerykku vendi kalichu kayyadi nedunnathinekaal jayikkunnathaanu kaaryam enna basic Policy'il aanu ippol Brazil NT .
    then u have to say there has been a generation gap where good footballers did not turn up for brazil nt...

    ur last sentence is my point as well.. gallery-kku vendi kalichathu kondaanu brazil-inu fans undaayath... kevalam trophykalude ennam aayirunnu enkil, italy shud have been up there.... but i guess holland will have more fans than italy purely becos of the filososphy.. once they discard that, new following will stop....
    brazil was special becos they on most ocassions combined quality with quantity....
    even wen u dont like them, u enjoy them.. ...

    i wud be surprised if we ever see that brazil again.... from the current latin american teams, i think chile and argentina plays the most attractive.... from europe, holland n germany ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by nettooran View Post
    Yesterday aginst panama Brazil never came out of First gear.the first half was pretty poor.But Second half was a huge improvement over the first 45 minutes.
    Neymar and Luis Gustavo were the standout performers.
    The worst player was Ramires of course.The moment Ramires was replaced the team started playing 10 times better.
    why this fascination with ramires.. he is not someone who produces any flash of brilliance either.... its like hodgson sticking with welbeck/roney even wen heknows that there r better players on bench..

    aaraanu replacce cheythathu??

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    Quote Originally Posted by nettooran View Post
    Tactical fouling puthiya kaaryam aano? This tactic is being used by Brazil for many years now.
    This had been mastered by using it against teams like Argentina to break their rhythm.Mostly these tactical fouls are done as much away as possible from own penalty box.
    bbc article aanu.. biased aavaam.... but still at first read i was surprised as well.. ....

    but dont u feel the refrees will be unedr high pressure in brazil games... palarkkum chilappo pedi kaanthirikilla..

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    Quote Originally Posted by moovybuf View Post
    bbc article aanu.. biased aavaam.... but still at first read i was surprised as well.. ....

    but dont u feel the refrees will be unedr high pressure in brazil games... palarkkum chilappo pedi kaanthirikilla..
    Refereeing is like a toss of the coin.I heard even Adidas and Nike play a role ..may be some conspiracy theories.

    In the last world cup.one of the reason for Brazil's exit was because of the stupid Japanese referee who called for foul on each of Robben's dives.So refereeing can screw up your chances in big matches.
    As a host nation Referees for Brazil's matches could be in high pressure , no doubt
    Last edited by nettooran; 06-04-2014 at 06:53 PM.

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