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    Bheeshma is just a usual template protagonist - antagonist story.
    Usual gangster plotil kaanatha onnum ithil illa.


    Only thing is that antagonist is weak and not well written.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thevalliparamban View Post
    These are arguments only for those who want to see a template protagonist -antagonist story. I am glad that it didn't turn out to so. Michael's enemies are within the family and that happens due to the elite class complexes and superiority egos, which is exactly what Amal tried to convey. (The movie is dedicated to Kevin and Neenu).
    Rajan is just a tool for the conspirators which also connects to Michael's past. Even Michael doesn't consider Rajan as a worthy villain for him. He's just an uninvited "kocheriyile Rajan mon" from the closed case.
    That's what I liked about Bheeshma parvvam.

    I loved the Michael -Alice track to. Many of the character traits of Michael, his self retrospection, his view about others etc are revealed through their conversations. As Amal said, Alice is Michael's 'emotional resort' person.
    These are small things which made Michael a favorite Mammootty character for me. Happy that Amal didn't compromise any of it for anything.

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    i dont think Bheeshma follows the usual plot where the protagonist takes on the antagonist. And again the question remains who is the antagonist. Its not really Rajan. Because he is being used by Anjootti family, mainly James for their own selfish objectives. The first half of the movie is all about the growing resentment within the Anjootti Family. So the protoganist is part of the Anjotti family . If you look at the overall movie, references like Michal ettayi arinjal pinne pranthan kuriachan vicharichalum rekshikkan kayiyilla" all refers to what sort of person Micheal is . Even his brother gives an idea of Micheal. So Rajan is definitely not someone of an equal standing . Towards the end you might see like the movie is rushed. But its just Michael deciding to end the matter once and for all. He knows about Father Simon, he has heard about Ali's murder and now he comes to know involvement of Martin in Paily Chettayi's murder and with him being attacked, there is no need to take his own time. And he feels its time to let the balances be restored. And he knows what Ajas is capable of . But he did not want Ajas to take the sword. Thats why even in the initial fight , he says dont call Ajas . But once he realizes that its time, he lets Ajas complete the work

    Coming to the songs , you remove them , it just becomes another gangster drama . You need family elements for a movie to be successful in the box office. Or it should be something very different like CBI where you dont need a song to affect the flow. And both songs have their relevance. Rathipushpam gives an idea of what sort of person Peter is . The way he works with his production crew and all shows his frustrations . And to a certain level, it gives a clue about his sexuality. I dont think Michael was some one who didnt like him for that . Because you see Michael supporting inter faith marriages and stands up for right. He is not the typical conservative person of the 80s. And the song AakashamPole suddenly gives a new dynamic for the film. Till then the audience has no knowledge of the romantic angle between Ami and Rachel . And that is one reason why all of a sudden you have martin joining the conflict directly and ends up killing Ami. I think Amal did a great job of telling all of that in a single song. The intimate scenes gives an idea of intimacy between both. And thats when you have Rachel telling Michael , that she wants it settled , the audience can feel the pain.

    And as few have already noted , yes the movie itself could have been explored from different angles. Even you can have sequels, prequels for this movie. Even sushin did mention that Amal when he gave an overview he was telling the whole Micheal story which was not even in the movie. Now coming to Bilal, BigB didnot have very tough action scenes. Mammootty had 2 action scenes in the movie, Seagull bar and then towards the end. All you need is a good choreographed action scenes with good camera work . Hopefully it happens soon

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    @rajavu
    "I dont think Michael was some one who didnt like him for that . Because you see Michael supporting inter faith marriages and stands up for right. He is not the typical conservative person of the 80s"

    - yes that's the point.. I was not saying Michael hated Peter. I just wished if script was like that.
    Because it will give some depth to the characters...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ali Bhai View Post

    PROBLEM OF BHEESHMA :
    Here in Bheeshma, the lowest point of Michael - the fatal injury- happens only in the concluding act (3rd act).

    So his rise and revenge in the final 25 min is rushed through very lazy writing..
    Or else Amal should have increased the running time to around 3 hr but it would resulted in bloated pacing....
    Yes...the whole story of "the godfather" is compressed in the last 30 minutes of bheeshma....Godfather begins with the fatal injury of Don Vito Coreleone and the rest of the story follows his son Michael Corleone pursuing the goal of keeping the Corleone family on top.

    In RGV's Sarkar also same thing...so i think both Sarkar and Bheeshma are conceived as prequels to Godfather.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ali Bhai View Post
    Some concluding Thoughts on Bheeshma and Analysis of Bheeshma script :

    Let's go through traditional 3 act structure :

    1st act - introduction of characters, setup of conflict.

    2nd act - Confrontation, failure and lowest point of hero, villain at the top.

    3rd act - Rise of the hero, climax & conclusion, hero wins against the odds, villain defeated, hero gets the girl.


    By the end of 2nd act, hero should fail at achieving his goals... The opposition, villains, circumstances are so against him...
    And that sets up his rise in the final act.


    PROBLEM OF BHEESHMA :
    Here in Bheeshma, the lowest point of Michael - the fatal injury- happens only in the concluding act (3rd act).

    So his rise and revenge in the final 25 min is rushed through very lazy writing..
    Or else Amal should have increased the running time to around 3 hr but it would resulted in bloated pacing....

    Solution -
    They could have fixed this by building up Rajan from the start itself - cut the whole Rathipushpam & akasham song.
    Cut the whole Alice - Michael side plot.
    Leave this space to Rajan & his backstory.

    Rajan should have striked Michael (leaving him near death) BY INTERMISSION (middle or end of 2nd act) itself.
    By doing that you will have more time for Michael to rise in 3rd act.
    Thus you get time for a better revenge plan and also you will get a very strong Villain.

    This is the main reason why there is no punch in the ending..
    Bheeshma started very strong but fizzled out like a wet cracker by the last act.

    Tony Sayipp is a better villain in a sense. He killed Mary teacher, killed ACP, controls Mayor, kills Bijo.. He has done all this from behind the scenes.
    A meticulously planned operation, aimed to check the teacher's intrusions into unlawful exporting of children from Kochi.

    This level of competence is not shown by Rajan. He is not that cunning as Angoor Ravuther & not as confident as Tony.

    Rajan is just... there..looking like a rampwalk model and not at all threatening to anyone.
    With due respect to your comments...

    Ithu sthiram pattern allaathathukond thanne aanu padam vijayichathu..usual formula il ulla padam aayirunenkil ithu ithreyum vijayikillaayirunu..

    Also ending il puch illennu parayunondu ningal.. ee punch kond udheshikunnathu entha?? Villainu nere gun choondikondu chara para dialogue parayunnathu mathram ano mass allenkil punch?? (Like in Lucifer)
    Enik ending othiri ishtapetu..emotionally connect aavunna dialogues paranjalum athu ellaarkum ishtapedum...oru pakshe aarum Kai adikillaayirikum athu kelkumbo...but aa dialogue ellaardem manasil ekkaalavum irikkum.. like when Mammootty says "Pakshe..Amikkum Sivankuttykum vendi oru orappu varuthanamennundaayirunu"..Kai adi kitillenkilum emotionally connect aavum..audience nu ishtapedum...venamenkil Mammoottykku "oree oru rajavu" line dialogue adichitu cinema avasanipikam..fanskaarude Kai adi kitumennu allaathe athonnum manasil nikilla ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manikuttan777 View Post
    With due respect to your comments...

    Ithu sthiram pattern allaathathukond thanne aanu padam vijayichathu..usual formula il ulla padam aayirunenkil ithu ithreyum vijayikillaayirunu..

    Also ending il puch illennu parayunondu ningal.. ee punch kond udheshikunnathu entha?? Villainu nere gun choondikondu chara para dialogue parayunnathu mathram ano mass allenkil punch?? (Like in Lucifer)
    Enik ending othiri ishtapetu..emotionally connect aavunna dialogues paranjalum athu ellaarkum ishtapedum...oru pakshe aarum Kai adikillaayirikum athu kelkumbo...but aa dialogue ellaardem manasil ekkaalavum irikkum.. like when Mammootty says "Pakshe..Amikkum Sivankuttykum vendi oru orappu varuthanamennundaayirunu"..Kai adi kitillenkilum emotionally connect aavum..audience nu ishtapedum...venamenkil Mammoottykku "oree oru rajavu" line dialogue adichitu cinema avasanipikam..fanskaarude Kai adi kitumennu allaathe athonnum manasil nikilla ..
    Punch varathathu enthanennu enikku thonnunnathu: hero thante lakshyathil ethunnathu veroralude sahayothode aanu....ivide Soubin aanu karyangal ellam cheyyunnathu....ikka bed rest aanu.
    My ratings for last 5 Lalettan movies:
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    * 12/24 - Barroz - 2.8/5
    * 01/24 - Malaikottai Vaaliban - 4/5
    * 12/23 - Neru - 2.5/5
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    Quote Originally Posted by firecrown View Post
    Punch varathathu enthanennu enikku thonnunnathu: hero thante lakshyathil ethunnathu veroralude sahayothode aanu....ivide Soubin aanu karyangal ellam cheyyunnathu....ikka bed rest aanu.
    According to me, it was well executed...naayakan thanne ellaam cheyth theerkanamennu nirbandam ila..naayakante presence undaayal mathi...ithinidayil Mammoottyde nalla dialogues und.. "kaiyil 5inte paisa illaathondu Kalla vandi polum kerilla"... "Carnival nu polum kochiyilotu vannekaruthu"..athupole Simon achane kurichulla dialogues..

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    Quote Originally Posted by firecrown View Post
    Punch varathathu enthanennu enikku thonnunnathu: hero thante lakshyathil ethunnathu veroralude sahayothode aanu....ivide Soubin aanu karyangal ellam cheyyunnathu....ikka bed rest aanu.
    Bhagyam new delhi ഒന്നും ഇപ്പൊ ഇറങ്ങാത്തത്.

    നായകൻ എന്താണ്, ആരാണ്, അവസ്ഥ എന്താണ് എന്നൊന്നും വിഷയം അല്ല

    കണ്ണിൽ കണ്ട Telugu , പാണ്ടി പടം കണ്ട് ഇപ്പൊ ഉള്ളവരുടെ കണ്ണ് അടിച്ചു പോയി അതാണ് സത്യം

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    Ivarokke god father kandu enth comments aayirikkum adichittundavuka enna njan aalochikkunne..

    Oro aalkkum avaravarude opinion und ennath respect cheyyunnu..

    Quote Originally Posted by ACHOOTTY View Post
    Bhagyam new delhi ഒന്നും ഇപ്പൊ ഇറങ്ങാത്തത്.

    നായകൻ എന്താണ്, ആരാണ്, അവസ്ഥ എന്താണ് എന്നൊന്നും വിഷയം അല്ല

    കണ്ണിൽ കണ്ട Telugu , പാണ്ടി പടം കണ്ട് ഇപ്പൊ ഉള്ളവരുടെ കണ്ണ് അടിച്ചു പോയി അതാണ് സത്യം

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    Quote Originally Posted by ACHOOTTY View Post
    Bhagyam new delhi ഒന്നും ഇപ്പൊ ഇറങ്ങാത്തത്.

    നായകൻ എന്താണ്, ആരാണ്, അവസ്ഥ എന്താണ് എന്നൊന്നും വിഷയം അല്ല

    കണ്ണിൽ കണ്ട Telugu , പാണ്ടി പടം കണ്ട് ഇപ്പൊ ഉള്ളവരുടെ കണ്ണ് അടിച്ചു പോയി അതാണ് സത്യം
    Athippo mikkavarum aalkarum naayakan heroism kanikkanam ennu aagrahikunnavar aanu. Pakshe avideyum limit undu. Athayathu shylock mathiri okke kanichal pandi padam ennu parayum . Ithe nilayil ulla mikkavarum padangal kandu kayyadikukayum cheyyum . Chila samayatha malayaliyude erattathappu valare vyakthamanu. Ithinte eetavum valiya udaharangal aanu 90kalile cinemakale vilayiruthi athile sthreevirudhatha choondi kanikunnathu. Ennal ottu sthreekal mukya kathapathramayi varunna ethra chithrangal vijayikunnundu. Pinne Mammootty Mohanlal evarude okke prayam paranju kaliyakkal . Screen age ennathu polum marannu kondanu ithokke nadathunnathu

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