★ Parvathy Thiruvoth ★ Official Thread ★

[JayK]

apol ningal pareyune verunethu rajan zachareyee enna charactere mathram aalkaare influence cheyum ?..matte characters enthu kondu bhadakam alla? kerala kaar atreku mandan maar and mandigel ennu aano ningal pareny verunethu? i dont think so....oru cinema cinema ayittu kaanaan shremikenam also the characters ...ee influence cheyapedum enne pareyumbol parvathy ude characters her hardcore fans ne influence cheyathillee...maari yillee liplock scene? notebook char...charlie lee oru chekkante poree thedi pokunethu okee...pinne bedroomscene okee? enthu kondu only kasabau zacharieh character? aathaanu chodhyam? she specifically named mammootty athaanu ithu itreym issue aayithu...she could have named mohanlal name also...example devasuram ...ningal pareyunethnoodu yogikaan pattunillaa..no logic at all athaanu sachinmammookaa refer cheythethu

apol villain aavumbol enthu aavaam ennu aano??? allengil thanne zachariah is a negative shade character ...angeneyaa enniku thoniyethu...same like mohanlal in devasuram ..devasuram ennemovieyee kurichu niingalku enthaa abhiprayam ...athil neelakandan edaku edaku chithra yude character veetil pokaar undu. ..dingolfi etc..say say kelkettee..mohanlal enthee star value illee..superstar allee?..ithu okee alkaaree influence cheyapedullee ?

Aadhyam ningal aa fanship goggles azhichuvekku.

Misogyny ennathu nammude societyil alinju chernnu nikkunna kaaryamanu. Saadharanakkaranaya enikkum thanikum easily athil erpedam. Njan vazhiyil avarude swantham business mind cheythu povunna oru sthreeye mlechamaya comment adichu ennu vakka. Ente koode oru ancharu perundu, avaranenkil ottakku. Ennikku oru chukkum nadakkaan povunnilla. Njan swayam valiya sambhavamanennu karuthi ithe chintagathi thudarnnu jeevikkum.

Ini moshanam, fraud ennulla sambhavam, orikkalum athe laghavathode erpedan pattukayilla. Kaaranam, there will be consequences for my actions. So randu situations compare cheyyunnathil use illa.

ee influence cheyapedum enne pareyumbol parvathy ude characters her hardcore fans ne influence cheyathillee...maari yillee liplock scene? notebook char...charlie lee oru chekkante poree thedi pokunethu okee...pinne bedroomscene okee? enthu kondu only kasabau zacharieh character? aathaanu chodhyam?

Alla maashe, sthree avarude swantham ishta prakaram kiss cheyyukayo, sexil erpedunnatho thettano? Societyile moral policing maatti nirthiyal, enganeyanu oru sthreeyodu apamaryadhayi perumarunnathum kiss, sex ennathum compare cheyyunnathu?

apol villain aavumbol enthu aavaam ennu aano???

Yes, Aayal cheyyunnathu thettayathu kondanallo aa character villainavunnathu. Ivide prashnam, Kasabayil Rajan cheyyunathu thettanu ennullathu mangi poyathalle, because of the way he is portrayed.

allengil thanne zachariah is a negative shade character ...angeneyaa enniku thoniyethu

Agree, ente vere comments nokkiyal njan ithu thanne paranjittundallo. Aa sceneinte prashnam athu filmmakingil vanna pizhavanu, rather than it being intentionally misogynistic. Rajan cheyyunnathu thettanennu athil chillarkkenkilum ambigous aayi thonniyathu kondanu ee bahalam muzhuvan.

same like mohanlal in devasuram ..devasuram ennemovieyee kurichu niingalku enthaa abhiprayam ...athil neelakandan edaku edaku chithra yude character veetil pokaar undu. ..dingolfi etc..say say kelkettee..mohanlal enthee star value illee..superstar allee?..ithu okee alkaaree influence cheyapedullee ?

Ithippo ennodu chodichattu enthu kaaryam. Njan Mohanlal fan onnum alla, pullide kure cinema ishtamanu ennu mathrame ullu. Devasurathil theerchayayum pulli oru Misogynistic character aanu portray cheyyunnathu. Athil pakshe athu kurachum koodi vyakthamayi portray cheyyunnundu. Moreover, Revathyde character, she calls him out on his fuedalistic, chauvinistic ways. Kasabayude prashnam athu ambigous aanennullathanu.


Pinne, oru apeksha, ithu Mammootty enna vyakthikkethire oru akramanamayittanu ningalokke kaanunne, anganalla njan ee posts ittathu. And Parvathy probably too. Athu matti vechu chinthichu nokkiyal, you'll understand why women may have issues with the Kasaba scene. Pakshe, athu ithra valiya bahalavum kolahalavum undakkenda kaaryam aa scenil illa ennanu ente abhiprayam.

@ClubAns Ee thread poottenda oru commentum njan ithu vare ithil vaayichittila. Relevant discussion aanallo ithu. Why stop it?

[JayK]

Thank you so much, paranjathil etha maryadha ullathu illathathum ennu pole thirichsriysn kazhiyathe ningalodu veruthe type cheythu kai kazhachittu enthu prayojanam.... added to ignore list.... oru paridhikku appuram ente energy waste cheyyan enikku thalparaym illa..... samoohikam aayi mattam kondu vanna enniyal odungathe athre chitrangalum undennu paranju thannallo valya upakaram.....

Genuinely confused njan eppozha ningalodu aparamaryadhayayi perumariyathennu. Athu onnu point out cheythittu ignore listil add cheytha mathiyayirunnu. Ningal paranjathu thettanennu uracha vishwasam ullathu kondum athinodu njan completely disagree cheyyunathu kondumanu aa post ittathu. Pinne, enthu paranjalum ningalude standil (athu thettanenkilum) urachu nikkan theerumanicha sthithikku,

[fuji]

i didnt say anything... glorifying or not, i dont care.. i see cinema as an entertainment in whatever mode, i dont want cinema to teach me anything...

at the same time, i do doubt the intention of the person here (just like u r free to think otherwise)..



have seen both the scenes.. and it is just that the "glorification here is in the eye of the beholder"..... both of them can be seen as glorification or both of them can be viewed as scene in the movie pertaining to the character...
i wish to see them as the latter one...but u wish to see the first as misogyny glorofcation and the latter as the one upholding the dignity of woman... no agenda at all ..

I agree with you that many people, myself included, watch movies for the entertainment value and not as a personal guide to how I should think or should live my life. But that doesn't mean that anything and everything the makers do or portray in the name of entertainment is tasteful or appropriate. This is especially true and important for matters that involve how people treat people of different genders, races, religions, and backgrounds. A non-misogynistic person won't change their mindset or behavior with a movie. But you cannot deny that there is a section of the audience in society who are misogynistic... and when this type of material is portrayed as cool and clap-worthy in a movie that caters to these masses, the makers are sending those people the wrong message that their thoughts and behaviors are acceptable.

If one sees misogyny in society as wrong and something that should not be encouraged in real life interactions, then why would using it in a movie to get appreciative claps and applause ever be acceptable to someone?

Now this brings me to the difference between Kasaba and the Irfan video. I've already mentioned how I feel Kasaba glorifies misogyny in the way the scene was decorated with BGM, slow motion, and the celebratory applause that it was meant to elicit from the crowds at the time of release. But please describe exactly what in the Irfan video glorifies his character and his dialogue? Are we supposed to clap and whistle when he says the "hot in bed" line? No---we are meant to be disgusted and repelled by it, just like the female character is in that portion. There is a huge, blatantly obvious difference between having a character in a scene with negative traits that the makers present as undesirable v. having a character in a scene with negative traits that the maker presents as applaudable.

Now, you can hate Parvathy all you want for her "lack of character," and repeat a million other reasons why you think she was just trying to target Mammooty (i.e. she only mentioned Kasaba in the forum, etc.). But when other people try to explain why they think at least some of her argument is valid (on top of ackowledging that Kasaba is definitely not the only film guilty of this type of thing), the response on here has also been to just repeatedly dismiss that person as sharing the same "agenda." At that point, it's obvious that your major issue is that someone called out a film of your favorite superstar and you can't/don't want to see past that.

[jeeva]

piruthi and paru fans ok undallo evattakal ok enthinu cinima kanunnu.... Cinima nallathonnum padippikunnilla arum ini cinimayku ponda pore.... Naghalu nannakan udesamillatha kondu cinima kurachokke kanam..... Evide saudi vare cinima hall oppen akki open akumbo anu chila parattakalku cinima sadacharm akkanam ennu...... Nivan ok paravathide cinima iraghumbo kanda mathi... Pore.... Prsnam theernille.... Cinima iraghiyathinu shesham anallo lokathu crime undayathu.... Adam papam chaythathum, ravananu sethaye thattikondupokan prajodhanam nalkiyathu mamutyde kasaba anu koodathe mahabaratha yudhathinum karanam kasabha..... poyineda...

[joe]

The difference between Kasaba and irfan video is the following..

No Increase in male police officers holding female officers by the belt after watching Kasaba
Definite Increase in comments on their hotness in bed faced by Kerala girls after the video . Irfan and the video has given mainstream acceptance to a derogatory comment.

I agree with you that many people, myself included, watch movies for the entertainment value and not as a personal guide to how I should think or should live my life. But that doesn't mean that anything and everything the makers do or portray in the name of entertainment is tasteful or appropriate. This is especially true and important for matters that involve how people treat people of different genders, races, religions, and backgrounds. A non-misogynistic person won't change their mindset or behavior with a movie. But you cannot deny that there is a section of the audience in society who are misogynistic... and when this type of material is portrayed as cool and clap-worthy in a movie that caters to these masses, the makers are sending those people the wrong message that their thoughts and behaviors are acceptable.

If one sees misogyny in society as wrong and something that should not be encouraged in real life interactions, then why would using it in a movie to get appreciative claps and applause ever be acceptable to someone?

Now this brings me to the difference between Kasaba and the Irfan video. I've already mentioned how I feel Kasaba glorifies misogyny in the way the scene was decorated with BGM, slow motion, and the celebratory applause that it was meant to elicit from the crowds at the time of release. But please describe exactly what in the Irfan video glorifies his character and his dialogue? Are we supposed to clap and whistle when he says the "hot in bed" line? No---we are meant to be disgusted and repelled by it, just like the female character is in that portion. There is a huge, blatantly obvious difference between having a character in a scene with negative traits that the makers present as undesirable v. having a character in a scene with negative traits that the maker presents as applaudable.

Now, you can hate Parvathy all you want for her "lack of character," and repeat a million other reasons why you think she was just trying to target Mammooty (i.e. she only mentioned Kasaba in the forum, etc.). But when other people try to explain why they think at least some of her argument is valid (on top of ackowledging that Kasaba is definitely not the only film guilty of this type of thing), the response on here has also been to just repeatedly dismiss that person as sharing the same "agenda." At that point, it's obvious that your major issue is that someone called out a film of your favorite superstar and you can't/don't want to see past that.

[fuji]

The difference between Kasaba and irfan video is the following..

No Increase in male police officers holding female officers by the belt after watching Kasaba
Definite Increase in comments on their hotness in bed faced by Kerala girls after the video . Irfan and the video has given mainstream acceptance to a derogatory comment.

???

So in the case of Kasaba, you think only police officers could potentially take away a message from what the character does? There's no chance that someone else can interpret the line "I'll make it up to you ...and i bet you won't walk for a week" (which the character says as he holds the belt, and walks away after with a cool swaggy BGM) as mainstream acceptance of a derogatory comment against females?

Versus a video that shows what a creepy guy would say (and even labels it very clearly as creepy and completely inappropriate---not acceptable) provides mainstream "acceptance" to what he says?

So if we use that logic, all villain characters that have raped on screen provide mainstream acceptance to that action, even if we as an audience are clearly meant to hate their characters in those scenes/movies?

[firecrown]

???

So in the case of Kasaba, you think only police officers could potentially take away a message from what the character does? There's no chance that someone else can interpret the line "I'll make it up to you ...and i bet you won't walk for a week" (which the character says as he holds the belt, and walks away after with a cool swaggy BGM) as mainstream acceptance of a derogatory comment against females?

Versus a video that shows what a creepy guy would say (and even labels it very clearly as creepy and completely inappropriate---not acceptable) provides mainstream "acceptance" to what he says?

So if we use that logic, all villain characters that have raped on screen provide mainstream acceptance to that action, even if we as an audience are clearly meant to hate their characters in those scenes/movies?

What do you think about the female character that Mammootty says the dialog to? Don't you think she deserves such a dialog? Or should Mammootty have said to her "I respect women" like in the movie Masterpiece?

[Jamesfanboy]

What do you think about the female character that Mammootty says the dialog to? Don't you think she deserves such a dialog? Or should Mammootty have said to her "I respect women" like in the movie Masterpiece?

He should have said "Nee podi mole dineshee"

[MamBlr]

True ! ! ! ! !

The difference between Kasaba and irfan video is the following..

No Increase in male police officers holding female officers by the belt after watching Kasaba
Definite Increase in comments on their hotness in bed faced by Kerala girls after the video . Irfan and the video has given mainstream acceptance to a derogatory comment.

[Harry]

He should have said "Nee podi mole dineshee"

"Heard policekaares are hot in bed" ennaayaallo?