Reply With QuoteMohlanlaline patti rima kallinidayil entho paranju ennu kettu....
vishyam discuss cheyyendathu thanne... fully on with u.. i think romantification of the glorification of certain villanism is always palying to the gallery..Originally Posted by ballu
... its cinema .. majority cinemagoers r men.. and sometimes u have to feed them...enthenkilum manassilaayaa...
pakshe paravthi "issue" munill nirthi, Mammoottye angu berthe onnu thondi kalayaam ennaanu bijaaram enkil, nadakoola ponnu mone...
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Mohlanlaline patti rima kallinidayil entho paranju ennu kettu....
wild fire 🔥 kedum...
you are right that there are multiple other things that are still glorified in cinema...im not saying that misogyny is the only problem. But one issue at a time--and someone has to speak up about it for the issue to be called to the forefront. And I've said a million times that Kasaba is the not the first film to be guilty of this type of thing.
You are right that the lady character was being flirtatious and trying to flaunt her senior ranking in front of him. Sure, there are probably females like that out there. But to use that to justify the type of dialogue and sexual force that the character implies "to put her in her place" would be completely inappropriate in real life regardless and thus should not be glorified on screen. Is that the only way to retaliate to people?
And yes I've seen Kasaba. The fact that the lead character shows and claims respect to women in other scenes (i.e. in the scene involving Neha Saxena's intro) just tells me that the writers weren't thinking about logical characterization when they placed the police officer scene in the same movie. Moreover, the fact that he shows respect to women in one scene doesn't justify the inclusion of the misogynstic scene in question.
The only way someone could see the irfan dialogue as being cool, given the way that it was specifically shown in that video, is if that person already agrees with the acceptability and "coolness" of saying such lines to people and is blind to the idea that this is wrong. The actual video gives absolutely no indication that what he said is acceptable or right---it shows and directly suggests the complete opposite. With your logic here, then just saying a dialogue has the power to glorify it since someone will interpret it as as cool in their heads (no matter what the scene is actually trying to portray). In that case, even if the Kasaba dialogues had not been decorated with cool BGM to garner applause, shouldn't they still be perceived as problematic to the majority?
Do you think that there was glorification of mysogyny in that Kasaba scene? If your answer is no, in that case, I would say that you conveniently (to support your argument) choose to interpret the irfan scene as something that glorifies mysogyny, while ignoring the fact that the Kasaba scene is arguably worse (given that not only is the dialogue spoken---which is similarly wrong to begin with if we use your argument against the Irfan video-- but also is extra wrong since there is the added glorification with the BGM, slow motion, and claps from the audience.
I have no problem with you thinking that Parvathy has an agenda for speaking about Kasaba (I disagree, but you can have your opinion on that). Perhaps you don't hate Parvathy even if you think she has an agenda... but take a look at some of the other arguments made on this thread about why her argument is invalid, and you can see some pure character assassination completely unrelated to her points about glorifying misogyny in cinema. But saying that everyone else who shares her opinions on that scene in Kasaba (including general people like me) has a grudge against Mammooty or shares her same "Agenda" makes it pretty obvious that fanship is a major underplaying issue here---otherwise, why is it so hard for some people to see the faults in that Kasaba dialogue when they can easily perceive faults in the Irfan scene? And why would I have a grudge specifically against Mammooty when I have explicitly mentioned that other films of different actors are guilty of the same issue?
Again, you are right that there are other issues in cinema. But someone has to bring each of them to the forefront individually before people start thinking about change. In this case, this was brought up initially by Parvathy because she's part of a recently convened organization that focuses on female representation in cinema (again, you can argue that they have a hidden agenda to specifically bring Kasaba up if you want to---but that still doesn't mean that her argument against glorifying mysogyny in cinema is invalid)
Last edited by fuji; 01-18-2018 at 01:41 AM.
I appreciate your willingness to discuss the issue here!vishyam discuss cheyyendathu thanne... fully on with u.. i think romantification of the glorification of certain villanism is always palying to the gallery..
pakshe paravthi "issue" munill nirthi, Mammoottye angu berthe onnu thondi kalayaam ennaanu bijaaram enkil, nadakoola ponnu mone
My question is, at what point do we stop and say we shouldn't be "playing to the gallery" for certain things that are unfortunately still seen in society? I'm not saying that makers should stop making negative characters altogether that have those traits...but do we really need mass scenes or double meaning jokes that applaud misogyny? Plenty of movies in the more recent past---have been commercially and critically successful without including such glorifying scenes. The problem is some filmmakers have it stuck in their head that this is an easy way to score points especially in mass films ---so they insert them in there just for the claps, even if those scenes are demeaning and have zero relevance to the larger plot or character development in the vast majority of cases.
Again, you can make a similar argument for glorifying other negative aspects (racism, discrimination, body shaming, etc.) and I would agree for many of those issues.
Mammooty is not at fault here. Its the filmmakers and scriptwriters of any actor's film who need to collectively move forward with an understanding of what's appropriate and what's not.
Should mammooty have retaliated by giving her a tight slap on the face just as women would do to flirtatious men? Then there would be the issue of "real men don't beat women". So the only way for a man is to use some hard-hitting dialogues. That's what mammootty did to her. And he is not a Swami Vivekananda to give her a moral lecture or anything. Different people say different things.
My ratings for last 5 Lalettan movies:
* 03/25 - Empuraan - 3/5
* 12/24 - Barroz - 2.8/5
* 01/24 - Malaikottai Vaaliban - 4/5
* 12/23 - Neru - 2.5/5
* 01/23 - Alone - 2.5/5
India is a democratic country. And an artist has the creative license to do whatever. The Central Board is put in charge to give the appropriate ratings based on the content. That's it and end of story.
If females want their own super hero characters, they have all the freedom and right to do a Kill Bill or whatnot. And they can bash and beat up a 100 men in it. Instead of whining, they should script, direct and act in some kinda of a fare like this and show that females have as much star power. If such a film ever came, and they did something sexist to male characters... I wouldn't even care. It's just entertainment afterall
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Exactly man. If the character's positions were reversed... the female character would have slapped the male.
Exactly, nooru vattam yojikkunnu.... serial il male characters ine kaanikkunne ee nilakku ethra vimarshikkanam... manorama il ulla thatti mutti enna serial best example aanu... so ithokke aa sense il kandal mathi... kanan thalparyam illel avoid it allathe njan parayunnathu mathram Sheri enna attitude theerthum childish aanu...
ee മീന്* പൊരിച്ചത് എന്താ സംഭവം?
Yes. That serial has made the main male characters in it into complete fools. Even Hollywood Tv shows like Everybody loves Raymond does the same thing and the character is called an "idiot". No man goes around complaining about this lol
Woman want to dominant the film industry? Go and create some female Mohanlal and Mammootys and some good female filmmakers. That's your only fair way. Everything else will only lead to more controversies.
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